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  Was There ANYTHING Positive That You Experienced Because of Being a JW?

  by minimus in

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  was there anything positive about your jehovah's witness experience?.

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  John McCain could probably find something positive from his experience as a POW.
  
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  Another Young JW dead during childbirth

  by Lee Elder in

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  the latest young jehovah's witness mother to die in childbirth by following the terrible medical advice of watchtower writers.. https://www.niyitabiti.net/2017/02/nigerian-jehovah-witness-allegedly-dies-of-excess-bleeding-during-child-birth-because-church-doesnt-permit-blood-transfusion/.

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  http://pulse.ng/gist/woman-dies-at-childbirth-after-refusing-blood-transfusion-id6175473.html?fb_action_ids=1779392782386704&fb_action_types=og.comments
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  Another Young JW dead during childbirth

  by Lee Elder in

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  the latest young jehovah's witness mother to die in childbirth by following the terrible medical advice of watchtower writers.. https://www.niyitabiti.net/2017/02/nigerian-jehovah-witness-allegedly-dies-of-excess-bleeding-during-child-birth-because-church-doesnt-permit-blood-transfusion/.

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  The latest young Jehovah's Witness mother to die in childbirth by following the terrible medical advice of Watchtower writers.

  https://www.niyitabiti.net/2017/02/nigerian-jehovah-witness-allegedly-dies-of-excess-bleeding-during-child-birth-because-church-doesnt-permit-blood-transfusion/
  
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  Trinity...cross...Does it matter?

  by NikL in

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  i've been thinking about this for a while.. did jesus diee on a cross?

  does it really matter?

  it doesn't change anything that i can see.. is god a trinity?

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  No...it doesn't matter imo. Beliefs don't matter. Behavior matters. Keep love as your highest value....everything else is chaff on the threshing floor.
  
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  Ex wife getting a heart operation

  by greenhornet in

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  my kids mother is getting a new heart valve.

  there upset because she is making sure no blood is to be used and her jw cronies will be with her making it hard for my kids even to visit her in the hospital.

  can jws get a pigs heart valve now and is her request by having no blood make this procedure difficult for the surgin for a successful operation?.

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  Encourage your kids to study these two resources, commit as much as possible to memory, and discuss the main points with her using questions to draw her out.

  http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-approved-blood-transfusions

  http://ajwrb.org/do-jehovahs-witnesses-really-abstain-from-blood

  Ultimately, they have to respect her choice, but they certainly have both a right, and a responsibility to try and be sure that it is an informed, and voluntary choice. The same can be said of the doctor that is treating her.
  
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  Ex wife getting a heart operation

  by greenhornet in

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  my kids mother is getting a new heart valve.

  there upset because she is making sure no blood is to be used and her jw cronies will be with her making it hard for my kids even to visit her in the hospital.

  can jws get a pigs heart valve now and is her request by having no blood make this procedure difficult for the surgin for a successful operation?.

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  To use an analogy, its like choosing to walk a tight rope with no safety net. The single most important thing that can happen is for her doctor to have a private conversation with her to check her understanding of the WT blood policy, and her level of commitment to it. Simply asking questions about why the policy permits so many types of blood transfusions, yet bans others, has been enough to open many minds to what is clearly an "organizational" policy. Her children, and doctor can be pointed to the references and tools at www.ajwrb.org
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  Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

  by darkspilver in

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  for information:.

  court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

  keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

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  Hard to fault the doctors for trying to understand all of the little complexities of Watchtower policy, as well as the different ways it can be interpreted. I can give you examples of the policy that don't require blood outside of the body to be kept in motion, as long as the time while its out of the body is momentary (you define momentary). They are being asked to do the impossible, and then faulted when it can't be done.
  
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  Hospice and JW

  by Terry Clees in

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  i am a bereavement coordinator with a hospice company.

  i have noticed that most often jw patients decline chaplain care and also the family ends up declining bereavement care.

  where i work our chaplains do not proselytize at all...they merely walk with the patient in their faith at the end of life.

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  I believe you will find JWs more receptive to a "bereavement counselor" rather than a chaplain.
  
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  Random Thoughts on Getting Older

  by Lee Elder in

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  the reality that all of us ultimately must face is that we get older and our bodies, and our minds eventually fail us.

  i have seen this first hand in my family, in the jw community, and in the ex-jw community.

  it is simply a sad part of the human condition, as is physical, emotional, and mental illness.

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  The reality that all of us ultimately must face is that we get older and our bodies, and our minds eventually fail us. I have seen this first hand in my family, in the JW community, and in the ex-JW community. It is simply a sad part of the human condition, as is physical, emotional, and mental illness. Some of the issues are easy to grasp. Others require some much dreaded experience.

  I have more than my share of the experience side, which deeply grieves my soul. If you lack this experience, I can only say that you have been thus far spared, and try to be compassionate, and not too critical with with regard to some recent postings. I sincerely love both JWs, and the community of ex-JWs. That is the singular motivation behind what I have done these past two decades.

  Much love to all of you.

  Lee
  
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  Jehovah's Witness / ex-JW Suicide Rate?

  by Simon in

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  it's no secret that both remaining a jw or leaving the wts can take a toll on mental health.

  some will suffer from depression and ultimately some will have thoughts of suicide and a few will succumb to those.. but i don't recall ever seeing any hard stats or studies on it though.

  i'm sure we all know of some people who have committed suicide but i don't know if, because you may have loose association with a much larger pool of people through the religion, that this only seems higher or maybe not be actually higher than the general population.. what i mean is, you go to a kh here there maybe 100-150 people, you attend circuit and district conventions with many tens of thousands - if any one person commits suicide then you likely hear about it and it becomes part of the anecdotal 'evidence' that is then put forward as a fact that there is a higher rate ... but is there?.

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  There was an ex JW counselor who wrote about this. Jerry Bergman perhaps. In any event, he thought the rates of mental illness were higher among JWs. I have known quite a few who ended their lives in one way or another. Here are some resources:
  

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1174772

  https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286

  http://www.caic.org.au/jws/medical/mental.htm